Tuesday, February 22, 2022

Ronkainen, Jonika 2/22 Comments

Karen Emmerich and Ersi Sotiropoulos:

The sentences in freehand are very short, but do not gain that shortness from a lack of description – I’d be really interested to see how these descriptive asides compare to the Greek version/to see how the emphasis differs because it feels like in another language these descriptions might slip in a little more subtly and in english they get more of a marking, but it’s also possible I’ve just reversed this and the descriptions were pronounced in Greek to begin with so they stand out in English as well – or actually now that I’m thinking about it the better question is probably about how she’s forming the character we’re introduced to with the choices she makes about how much to pronounce these descriptions (the particular sentence I’m thinking of is when the narrator says “Her voice was colorless, with a tinge of disappointment” – it feels like a sentence that would be easy to do a literal translation on, but maybe hard to choose to keep it as this kind of break-out sentence instead of slipping the descriptions into the prior sentence/etc -- it feels like a character building aspect, but I'm curious to know what it's like in Greek). It also seems like had to be in any case just a really impressive feat of translating this many personal/relational pronouns.

Tracy K Smith: First of all it looks like I picked the wrong day to need to be online and I will probably go back and watch the recording once it’s up, but from what I could hear of it Smith’s talk was delightful. I loved listening to her talk about the relationship she had with the author, and her description about how she found herself kind of working next-to Yi Lei’s work. 

Thoughts on Smith and Sotiropoulos/Emmerich

Tracy K. Smith’s Friday lecture was wonderful. I thought her analogy of the translator being “ a guest in the author’s imagination” was lovely. She also mentioned that she felt translating from a language she didn’t know meant “thinking beside” the poem rather than reenacting it. In the translation seminar with Professor Nelson, we have been translating short poems and excerpts of longer works from languages we don’t speak, and I’ve had this feeling too: of trying to emulate the poem without feeling I can quite get within it, and feeling that my product resembles the original on a surface level, but that there might be linguistic significance or references underneath that I missed. I was so glad she was able to put that feeling into words. I also felt that some of the poems I hadn’t connected with on paper really touched me when I heard them read aloud. I didn’t have much of a response towards “Red Wall,” for example, but when Smith read the poem on Friday, I could hear all those adjectives form a wall in a way I hadn’t understood simply by looking at it. 


I thought both Ersi Sotiropoulos and Karen Emmerich have a great stylistic range in the Landscape with Dog stories and What’s Left of the Night. One thing I admire in Emmerich’s translation—something I find to be a challenge in my own practice—is her ability to give each character a distinctive voice in dialogue. It’s easy to get so caught up in translating the literal language that you forget to locate each character’s personality within their dialogue, but I noticed that Emmerich does a great job making each character sound distinct. I noticed this specifically every time Mardaras spoke in What’s Left of the Night and I felt myself rolling my eyes at everything he said. Both author and translator capture his pompousness brilliantly. When they come speak to us on Friday, I’ll be interested to hear about the translation process from the author’s perspective, as we haven’t yet heard much about it from the author’s side. What is it like to be translated? How does it feel to have a translator contact you and show such a deep interest in your work? How does the author view the translator-author relationship, and does she feel the same ownership over her work once it's been transformed, translated into another language?


Maggie


2/22 Reflections

I really enjoyed Tracy K Smith’s talk I felt like it was very natural and pleasant. I also liked how she spoke of there being no wrong or right when it came to her translations. A difference I did notice was how David’s vocab was very straightforward, meanwhile Smith’s was more serious and scholarly. 

 

The Cavafy poems gave me an impression of the fact that most of the authors translate Greek more closely. They try to keep the real essence of the poem without making a lot of changes or personal additions, which is also the whole point of translating it as it must appear to the reader as it were intended to. 

 

I also made an observation which could be driven based on the genres of books I read. Foreign fiction is more realistic than English fiction, as with English fiction they are always building up on the characters actions to make the read a thrill, whereas foreign fiction tries to keep it subtle. 


-Tanishka 

Monday, February 21, 2022

Reflections 2/22

I found Tracy K. Smith's talk very open and warm. I loved that she emphasized conversation, and that there was no "right" or "wrong" in regards to her translation. I did notice that in David's direct translations, the word choice tended to be more simple and straightforward, whereas Smith's vocabulary was more flowery/high-brow. I wanted to ask what prompted her to make those vocabulary choices, but I didn't want to sound rude, as I prefer the simpler versions.


Reading the Cavafy poems reinforced this preference, as all of these authors seem to translate the Greek more closely. They preserve the form and exact meaning of the poem, with what seems to be little personal embellishment (whereas Smith spoke of her translations as reflections of her, and seemed to have a more personal relationship with them). I think the closer translation makes it more fair for the poems to be called translations, versus Smith's work, which seems to be her playing off Yi Lei's ideas but writing her own poems.

"Landscape With Dog" brought out a striking realization in me, which is that foreign fiction tends to be more "slice of life", where English fiction always seems to need action/tension on every page (or people will get bored and put it down). This could completely be a result of the types of books I read, but thus far, the translations of fiction that we've read (as well as The Wedding Party, translated by Jeremy Tiang, which I'm in the process of reading) fit into this "slice of life" narrative. It is an interesting look at the philosophies of other parts of the world, as well as what other people do and don't read.

 

Sarah

Reflection Feb 21, 2022

In the mini-meeting before the lecture, I asked Tracy Smith about how she lets go of the literal translation and allows herself the freedom to (eventually) move away from it. She talked about how sometimes she starts from the last line of a poem and moves her way up, line by line. Although perhaps more suitable for translating poetry, I’m interested in trying it for my own prose translations, as I often struggle with moving away from the literal. 

Even though Smith moved away from the literal—even changing the meaning of lines somewhat drastically—she spoke beautifully about her friendship with and respect for Yi Lei. Often, there exists this paradigm in translation theory between either staying close to and respecting the writer’s meaning or moving the text towards the reader, but in her talk, Smith broke down this binary. Translators can hold and demonstrate deep respect for a text and its author while also making the text accessible and beautiful for the intended reader—these are not mutually exclusive.



Sotiropoulos’ stories “freehand” and “the pinball king” from Landscape with Dog and Other Stories reminded me a lot of stories in Jhumpa Lahiri’s The Interpreter of Maladies. Both stories, much like Lahiri’s collection, zoom in on every day, close personal relationships. I wondered if Emmerich had to change anything specific to make the characters seem so “American.” The characters’ dialogue in particular reads as very natural, colloquial American speech which I find can be difficult to get right—I wonder how much she had to change or if she had a particular dialect or voice in mind while translating. 


Despite the dialogue flowing very naturally in this American English, I loved that Emmerich transliterated and left the greeting “‘Kalimera, efharisto’” in Greek on page 16. While “bonjour” or “buenos dias” are highly recognizable to most English readers, this greeting might not be—especially given that Greek uses a different alphabet than English. I hope Emmerich will talk more about her choice to leave these words in Greek and about leaving Greek words “untranslated” in English translation more generally. Has she faced any pushback from publishers? Does she find that most words, aside from food perhaps, are unrecognizable? Does leaving these words in ever make the translation too performatively Greek?


-sharon

Sunday, February 20, 2022

2/22 Reflections

 On readings

    After Tracy's talk on Friday about how she had a duet with Yi Wei, I can't help but feel that the sentiment resonates throughout the two works translated by Karen Emmerich. What was immediately noticeable to me was how despite both Landscape with Dog and What's Left of the Night were written and translated by the same people, the way they read could have almost convinced me that they were translated by two different people entirely, or at written by two different people, although they both do share a common theme in their exploration of human relationships. 

    In Landscape with Dog, there is in my memory, one instance where something is "not translated," which is on page 26 where Ugo is grunting. Compared to the other text, where there is much French, which I assume was French in the original text, along with retaining some Frenchisms (?), like the use of monsieur. While both are certainly pieces focused on the people in the story, the language used in Landscape with Dog is  much more forward, and while both stories paint a vivid picture of the environment the characters find themselves in, the way they accomplish this is so vastly different between the two that it's hard for me to believe that they're the same author-translator pair. This, along with the various translations of poems in What's Left of the Night make me very interested in the original piece, and the thought processes between the author and translator 

On talk

    Tracy was kind enough to oblige me with an answer to a question that I had ever since I read the Red Wall as to how she was able to reach the method she eventually did. She replied that her solution was one that she reached out of looking for a concrete form that would work in English, and I'm not sure it's the sort of answer I would ever be able to find myself. Nonetheless, it was a very enlightening response that I hope I'll be able to keep in mind as I continue to translate in the future. Something that also was very surprising to hear was just how open she was to there being other translations of Yi Wei's poems, I had assumed that she would not be so receptive to the idea. Overall it seemed to me that rather than the meaning of the words and the patterns that they had in the original text, Tracy was much more focused on what Alejandro so often refers to as the music of the words, and I hope that that is something I will be able to emulate in the future. 

Steven

Saturday, February 19, 2022

A conversation with a poet laureate & a tandem who speak Greek

The same poems which inform this fictionalization of Cavafy double as a touchstone for interpreting ES’s prose.  Both in her stories and in this novel, there’s a sense of enormity occurring just on the other side of the written word and at the margin of the characters’ awareness, a tacit, generative, and at times corrosive unity obscured but never undone by the rhythms of daily life.  ES’s Cavafy, inching towards the poems which may, a century later, seem inevitable or inspired, doesn’t yet see the homogeneousness of his frustrated sexual desire and his neutered poetic output.  To find liberty in the one, at least according to the sections we’ve read, calls for a commensurate liberty in the other.  Similarly, in “The Pinball King,” we have a pair of siblings whose lives are at once dislocated and inextricably fused by the political excesses they endured during a military dictatorship in the late 1960s.  Despite their move to Florence, their reading of philosophy, and their migration into a second language, the body of experiences which built their figurative city and scarred their upbringing continues to pursue them, ruining any attempt to “find another shore.”  Lastly, the thoughts on the nullity of experience with which ES begins “Freehand” transform themselves into the characters’ systematic (and symmetrical) rejection of experience via malaise, intractable organization, and impotent verbal rituals.  Experience—the subjective measure of objective phenomena— continues in spite of those efforts to dilute or to deny it.  We have, then, three portraits of compensation, three ways of representing “the Alexandria you are losing”: an ambivalent, fictional Cavafy who stands on the edge of artistic fecundity, a sister and brother perversely united, each the support for and the padlock of the other, and finally a husband and wife whose tenuous proximity requires each to facilitate and to sanction the invisibility of the other.  I don’t know if this effect is more attributable to ES’s prose or to KE’s translation, but in either case, I applaud a job well done.

 

 

I’ve spent the preponderance of my sentient translator’s existence looking for analogies to capture who the translator is and what he does.  To that end, I was especially interested in TS’s figures for describing her project with Yi Lei.  She calls the invitation of a poem—to read or to translate it—a form of brief and indelible community, and even if I, in my work, don’t have the opportunity to collaborate so closely with an author, I hope to find a similar conversation between artistic sensibilities, a comparable sense that the effect or the sediment of the work endures beyond its scope.  A translation, as TS maintains, is a duet, obviously impracticable without the source text but likewise dependent upon the perceptions and the cumulative aesthetic judgment of the translator.  Neither party is inert.  And we could even suppose, in accordance with TS’s comments on the symbol of black hair, that both texts acquire meaning through translation.  Recalling JT’s terming his translations a creative response to the text, honoring it in whatever interventions he makes, I’d say TS, wishing to activate something embedded in the source text, to unearth its “logic that accumulates over gestures,” posits the act of translation upon the same terrain.  Both translators aim to capture the essence or the spirit of the line.  One last note.  TS says she writes for the part of herself that wants a better answer, a consummate way—in my view—of summarizing who the artist is and what she does.  The artist, even a derivative one like the translator, never content with things as they are or appear, persists in the indelible illusion of making something new.

 

-Josh

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